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	<title>Comments on: Are Stanford Students Just (Really Excellent) Sheep?</title>
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		<title>By: Rejecting the Entrepreneurial Education &#045; The Industry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rejecting the Entrepreneurial Education &#045; The Industry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] aware of Deresiewicz&#8217;s article after Rob Reich, a professor at Stanford, quoted it in an article on his Stanford-sanctioned [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Peterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 20:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been in and out of both home school and public school and finally graduating with a Bachelor&#039;s of Science from a small university, I&#039;ve seen both sides of the fence.

First off, generalizations about humans being sheep are pretty much true about any public institution or group. It is common human behavior to follow authority, as both psychological testing and empirical evidence has shown us. While it is true that those who don&#039;t do and follow what the authority figures command can become fabulously successful and wealthy (e.g. college dropouts Steven Jobs and Bill Gates), that&#039;s more the exception than the rule. By and large college is good for the unquestioning masses and it can even teach us unconventional types the discipline necessary for success.

Having said all of the above, it has also been found that smaller class sizes tend to cause students to learn better because teachers have more opportunity to give students one-on-one experiences (this is one obvious advantage that home schooling has over public schooling). With the advent of colleges like Stanford and MIT opening up many of their lectures to the public via online videos, the need for more lecturing professors is reduced. However, the need for mentors has never been greater. Students need someone who can help them find their passions and learn the self control to pursue them successfully. Without this it doesn&#039;t matter how many  video lectures are available for free, the un-disciplined student will find watching burping baby videos on Youtube more alluring than watching an educational lecture about the transcription process of RNA molecules. Only students infected with a love of science can watch videos like these and learn much. The rest will perform a quick context-switch to Facebook or Twitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been in and out of both home school and public school and finally graduating with a Bachelor&#8217;s of Science from a small university, I&#8217;ve seen both sides of the fence.</p>
<p>First off, generalizations about humans being sheep are pretty much true about any public institution or group. It is common human behavior to follow authority, as both psychological testing and empirical evidence has shown us. While it is true that those who don&#8217;t do and follow what the authority figures command can become fabulously successful and wealthy (e.g. college dropouts Steven Jobs and Bill Gates), that&#8217;s more the exception than the rule. By and large college is good for the unquestioning masses and it can even teach us unconventional types the discipline necessary for success.</p>
<p>Having said all of the above, it has also been found that smaller class sizes tend to cause students to learn better because teachers have more opportunity to give students one-on-one experiences (this is one obvious advantage that home schooling has over public schooling). With the advent of colleges like Stanford and MIT opening up many of their lectures to the public via online videos, the need for more lecturing professors is reduced. However, the need for mentors has never been greater. Students need someone who can help them find their passions and learn the self control to pursue them successfully. Without this it doesn&#8217;t matter how many  video lectures are available for free, the un-disciplined student will find watching burping baby videos on Youtube more alluring than watching an educational lecture about the transcription process of RNA molecules. Only students infected with a love of science can watch videos like these and learn much. The rest will perform a quick context-switch to Facebook or Twitter.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 01:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suggestion: Why don&#039;t they just admit only the 500 excellent candidates that prof was talking about? Admitting unnecessary people will give them unnecessary power that they don&#039;t qualify, and they will use that power in a wrong way in a company or government where they end up after graduation, which will harm the entire society as we see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suggestion: Why don&#8217;t they just admit only the 500 excellent candidates that prof was talking about? Admitting unnecessary people will give them unnecessary power that they don&#8217;t qualify, and they will use that power in a wrong way in a company or government where they end up after graduation, which will harm the entire society as we see.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 14:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-737&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@LC:&lt;/a&gt; 

&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-735&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Armstrong:&lt;/a&gt; No.  ANyone who strongly cares about education should be striving to improve public education, not abandon it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-737" rel="nofollow">@LC:</a> </p>
<p><a href="#comment-735" rel="nofollow">@Armstrong:</a> No.  ANyone who strongly cares about education should be striving to improve public education, not abandon it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 06:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>addendum: Sorry, that post was meant to be a response to the post with the claim that &quot;Homeschooling ought to be made illegal — it’s often used as a tool to brainwash children and keep them from interacting with kids from other backgrounds (Jews and liberals, oh my!).&quot; It did not thread properly though as the Reply link after each message suggested it would. (Poor board design.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>addendum: Sorry, that post was meant to be a response to the post with the claim that &#8220;Homeschooling ought to be made illegal — it’s often used as a tool to brainwash children and keep them from interacting with kids from other backgrounds (Jews and liberals, oh my!).&#8221; It did not thread properly though as the Reply link after each message suggested it would. (Poor board design.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 06:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-513&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@JC:&lt;/a&gt; As a progressive jewish homeschooler who engages in regular coop events with a variety of other homeschoolers from pagans to muslims to fundamentalist evangelicals, I must say it sounds like you don&#039;t know anything about the topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-513" rel="nofollow">@JC:</a> As a progressive jewish homeschooler who engages in regular coop events with a variety of other homeschoolers from pagans to muslims to fundamentalist evangelicals, I must say it sounds like you don&#8217;t know anything about the topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Likely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Likely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 06:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-735&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Armstrong:&lt;/a&gt; coming from someone who has clearly never been educated or attempted to educate in a third world country.

I have done both. You have no idea how wrong you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-735" rel="nofollow">@Armstrong:</a> coming from someone who has clearly never been educated or attempted to educate in a third world country.</p>
<p>I have done both. You have no idea how wrong you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Stanford Student</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stanford Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 05:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sick and tired of people labeling Stanford students as uninspired &quot;hoop jumpers&quot;. Just look at the Stanford Alumni population and see what they&#039;ve been doing. It&#039;s absurd that despite the diversity of what Stanford students have accomplished post graduation we are still labeled as &quot;uninspired&quot;. One point I can agree with is that generally Stanford students want to make an impact and a difference upon the world. Often times this means mucking with the system and intimately understanding the power structures that exist in modern society and how to exploit them. This absolutely positively does not mean that we are oblivious or incapable of questioning authority, examining life, morality or ethics critically etc. Just because we don&#039;t want to be philosophers the rest of our lives does not mean we are incapable of doing so. I agree a large segment of the Stanford population does seem quite uninspired and I am sad that that is the case but  I do think I&#039;ve met a decent percentage of kids that are motivated to achieve greatness (something that is significantly beyond becoming a prestigious doctor or lawyer)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sick and tired of people labeling Stanford students as uninspired &#8220;hoop jumpers&#8221;. Just look at the Stanford Alumni population and see what they&#8217;ve been doing. It&#8217;s absurd that despite the diversity of what Stanford students have accomplished post graduation we are still labeled as &#8220;uninspired&#8221;. One point I can agree with is that generally Stanford students want to make an impact and a difference upon the world. Often times this means mucking with the system and intimately understanding the power structures that exist in modern society and how to exploit them. This absolutely positively does not mean that we are oblivious or incapable of questioning authority, examining life, morality or ethics critically etc. Just because we don&#8217;t want to be philosophers the rest of our lives does not mean we are incapable of doing so. I agree a large segment of the Stanford population does seem quite uninspired and I am sad that that is the case but  I do think I&#8217;ve met a decent percentage of kids that are motivated to achieve greatness (something that is significantly beyond becoming a prestigious doctor or lawyer)</p>
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		<title>By: LC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 00:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No; they would have their parents as professors.  Parents tell their kids how to think at home, professors tell them how to think at school, and it&#039;s hard to imagine combining the roles gives them more intellectual freedom or stimulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No; they would have their parents as professors.  Parents tell their kids how to think at home, professors tell them how to think at school, and it&#8217;s hard to imagine combining the roles gives them more intellectual freedom or stimulation.</p>
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		<title>By: Armstrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Armstrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 22:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-513&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@JC:&lt;/a&gt; That is absurd. The united states has the education system of a third world country. 

Any parent who cares about their childrens education and cannot afford to pay for private school should absolutely homeschool their kids. Modern schools are essentially daycare&#039;s where little learning actually happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-513" rel="nofollow">@JC:</a> That is absurd. The united states has the education system of a third world country. </p>
<p>Any parent who cares about their childrens education and cannot afford to pay for private school should absolutely homeschool their kids. Modern schools are essentially daycare&#8217;s where little learning actually happens.</p>
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